Full Ring Experiment December 19, 2006
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I received an email yesterday from Cadmunkey telling me he was going to hit some cash games and that he’d also listened to an article by Daniel Negreanu with regards to beating the micro stakes NL cash games. I have utmost respect for Negreanu as I think he’s a tremendous player who seems to have an insane ability to read hands. One hand that stands out is in Harrington On Hold’em Volume 3 where he lays down a flopped straight after reading Sammy Farha, correctly, for a flush after Farha called a raise and reraise preflop with 9s2s! Anyway, Negreanu stated that if he were to play micro stakes poker he’d avoid 6-max and play Full Ring (9 or 10 man) as it’s the only way to beat the rake and make a consistent profit at these stakes! So as I am not on any sort of challenge at the minute and am just donking around I think I’ll give the full ring games a go on Full Tilt Poker and I think Mr Munkey is going to do the same also.
I always used to play full ring (FR) when I played FLHE and then when I made the switch to NLHE I stuck with ful ring. I found it easier and is where I made a nice little bit of cash, especially over at Sun Poker before the traffic dried up worse than Gandhi’s sandals! But all the blogs I was reading seemed to be playing 6-max and were, seemingly, tearing it up. Cadmunkey started playing it too and was enjoying some success so I gave it a go and got stung and couldn’t get my head around it. I did some research into it and started to play 6-max once more and really enjoyed the action and the donkeys it attracted and eventually started to turn a profit.
I’ll give FR games until the end of the year to see how I shape up then I will decide what I’m going to play on January 1st. The one thing that will hit me is the change of pace. I expect only 50-65 hands an hour and the tables to be more TAG than the 6-max games although all games at FR NL10 are more than likely going to be Weak-Tight. When playing FR I try to run around 20/10/2 which is a happy medium and comfortable to play and means I can throw some speculative hands into the mix, especially if we’re all sat with 100xBB stacks. I’m going to try to stick to ABC poker at these stakes and not get too fancy because the retards just do not understand but I’m also going to put more emphasis on positional poker and try out a few things based purely on position and players.
I’ve dug out my No Limit Hold’em: Theory And Practice by David Sklansky and Ed Miller to flick through on the commute to work. An awful lot of the book is for playing at much higher stakes but the majority of the concepts can be utilised at what ever stakes you play as it’s all about making +EV moves at the right times. My preflop game is pretty good, if I may say so myself, but I know some new players struggle with hand selection when they first start playing NL so I’ll share some basic preflop starting hands over the next couple of posts, mostly taken from the aforementioned book.
No pokery played last night as I went to Mrs Puddings house for Pizza (Turtle Food) and to help decorate her Christmas tree and we watched the corny, but very entertaining Starship Troopers! Sad I know but I really want to see number two now! Should get some play in tonight so will be able to report back in the morning with some hands of interest and hopefully stories of huge profits! I also bought my first packet of fags for 2.5 years yesterday as I’ve really been fancying a smoke recently, going to be a good lad though and knock it on the head because I don’t want to get back into the habit of smoking!
As always, thanks for checking in! 
Smoking is bad for your bankroll bud…
Good luck with the FR games. I managed to squeeze 200 slightly drunken hands in late last night and turned a profit of $7. Not much but also not bad for the stakes. There are still alot of players overvaluing top pair but I also saw alot of failed bluff attempts too.
Look forward to the posts on starting hands.
As for smoking…I’ve worked out that if I converted just half my spend on the evil weed into poker dollars I’d increase my bankroll by $50 a week. It seems a no-brainer really, except for the fact that I can’t play poker when I first wake up or in the middle of a working morning. If nicotine and poker were available on an equal footing I think I’d make the choice. As it is…ahh well there’s always New Year resolutions to make and break….
I was going back and forth between full-table & 6-max (limit). Then I realized I was making twice the BB/100 at the short-handed tables & stopped playing full ring games altogether. Could be my style (or, more likely, the lesser quality of play from others playing 6-max) that dictated the difference — I dunno. I am wanting to get back into full-ring games some more, though, if only to minimize the variance a bit. (Esp. as I try to move up.)
Watch out for them big brain-sucking bugs!
LMAO Shamus, guess you’ve seen it too! It’s so bad it’s good, if you know what I mean!
just to warn you all….ST2 is dire, and has none of the original cast in it. Its one of those bloody awful TVM movies.
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Hi there,
Was reading your article “Full Ring Experiment” and in it you mentioned an article article by Daniel Negreanu with regards to beating the micro stakes NL cash games.
Could you point me to where I can get this article as I have looked all over the web but cannot lay my hands on it.
Many thanks,
Cal